Jason provides us with issues
02 &
27 of
Game Informer (AUS) to start off the last month of 2022 with a down under flavor.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_01_12_22_9_02_20_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_01_12_22_9_02_41_0.jpeg)
Staying down under we have
AralDite's scan of
Official Nintendo (AUS) issue
30(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_01_12_22_9_22_21_0.jpeg)
Jason continues filling in the blanks with issues
37 &
39 of
Game Informer (AUS) struck off the M.I.A list.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_02_12_22_6_16_41_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_02_12_22_6_16_54_0.jpeg)
Jason brings something completely different to the table next with the
Dictionary of Australian Gemstones now available!!
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_02_12_22_6_37_23_0.jpeg)
Thought I'd edit my raw scans of
Look & Learn issue
332 and add it to the collection!
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_02_12_22_8_22_17_0.jpeg)
AralDite's scan of
PlayStation Official (AUS) issue
143 has been added to the download area.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_02_12_22_8_59_20_0.jpeg)
Catching up with what I've released since the old site went dark, I've got Famitsu 1336 and Comptiq 247 added to the download section.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_03_12_22_10_37_37_0.jpeg)(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_03_12_22_10_23_02_0.jpeg)
Going through my backlog of files from years ago I stumbled upon
Total Control issue
01 scanned by
amorri40. The cover on this stinker was literally silver plated ... I know because I owned this issue a long time ago ... and that color NEVER scans on a scanner properly, always coming out a variable shade of black. I don't know how he did it but Meppi at OoPA had an issue with the cover the correct shade so I used that to fix our cover problem. Every other page is
amorri40's and it is now available in the download area.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_03_12_22_5_45_59_0.jpeg)
Another of
dan's raw scans finally gets the editing treatment and that means
SuperPlay issue
25 is now available in the download area.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_03_12_22_9_10_57_0.jpeg)
Play Meter Vol.07-15 has been added the site thanks to
Hubz.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_10_10_38_0.jpeg)
Jason adds
Game Informer (AUS) issues
40 &
41 to the site collection ...
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_10_51_53_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_10_52_09_0.jpeg)
Here's a brand new never-seen-before on digits title from Japan, gM (or ジーエム - "jii-emu" as the locals call it.) What does it stand for? Game Magazine? Game Market? Googly Moogly? Got Milk? Giant Moustache? The possibilities are endless.
*****This mag is printed Japanese right-to-left style, so be sure to set your CBR reader to Japanese/manga mode if you want facing pages displayed in the correct order.
This is the RPG (well, JRPG) special. I remember seeing a couple of "play every JRPG ever made" blogs out there a few years back...I wonder if they had the list in this mag...which seems to have over 1000 titles (and that's not even including anything made in the last 22 years.) Yeah, I'm sure that finishing them all is TOTALLY possible.
Please enjoy the double sided poster which had to be cut into a bunch of pieces to scan, and then be painstakingly reassembled in Photoshop only to look no more impressive than any other regular page when viewing the CBR. If there's one thing digital mags can't replicate, it's size. Maybe if you hook it up to your big-screen 4K TV?
Also, for anyone just unassumingly quickly browsing through the mag looking at the pictures...well, you'll know when you get there. Surprise! Didn't see that coming, didja? :o
gM issue 7:
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_10_32_54_0.jpeg)
Hard task to follow THAT last submission from
kitsunebi. Ooerr!! :o
Jason provides us with issues
49 &
113 of
Game Informer (AUS) which are the last two of this title scanned for now.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_11_47_17_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_11_47_34_0.jpeg)
AralDite submits issue
03 of
Ultimate Nintendo for all us Ninty fanboys!!.....
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_12_20_58_0.jpeg)
PC Powerplay Hot Hardware Vol. 04 is now available thanks to
AralDite(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_12_46_56_0.jpeg)
Also incoming from
AralDite is
PC Powerplay issue
08. That's another of the early issues, almost impossible to find on local auction sites, scratched off the M.I.A list. Fabulous!!
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_2_20_44_0.jpeg)
marktrade's scans of
PC Ace issues
01 &
02 have been altered from 600dpi monsters to more palatable 300dpi files and are now available.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_3_03_20_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_3_03_34_0.jpeg)
Jason submits a bundle of magazines from the glazing industry in Australia. That's what I call branching out on the magazine diversity side of things here!! ;D
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_3_48_26_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_3_49_07_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_3_50_00_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_3_50_40_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_3_51_20_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_04_12_22_3_51_44_0.jpeg)
Thank you everyone for the downloads. Loving the new site 8)
Ultimate Nintendo issue
06 is now available thanks to
AralDite(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_07_12_22_6_35_38_0.jpeg)
He also provides us with
NGamer issue
27(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_07_12_22_8_01_46_0.jpeg)
Gregorick submits
PSM2 issue
15 today. Great to see another member submitting scans for the site. Well done!!
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_10_12_22_1_12_34_0.jpeg)
Why don't you put the down the Nin-Tin-Doh and try your hand at some toys made for REAL men.
(https://i.postimg.cc/508xNnwp/giphy.gif)
Get ToyFare issue 4 HERE (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/index.php?action=downloads;cat=434)
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/1_10_12_22_12_56_33_0.jpeg)
Quote from: Kiwi on Dec 10, 2022, 01:14 PMGregorick submits PSM2 issue 15 today. Great to see another member submitting scans for the site. Well done!!
Indeed, welcome aboard, Gregorick! ;D
And for all of you non-scanning members who wonder what you could possibly do to contribute, how about dropping a comment of thanks on a download you appreciate every now and then? Unlike the previous site, this new one will actually send notifications of comments to the scanner, so your thanks can finally be heard! A few words of encouragement could mean the difference between someone having the will to go on or hanging their scanner up for good.
AralDite provides us with the April 2017 issue of
Silicon Chip magazine.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_10_12_22_2_58_48_0.jpeg)
Dengeki PlayStation #112 comin' atcha.
Get it HERE (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;id=10031).
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_10_12_22_6_03_50_0.jpeg)
AralDite submits
PC Powerplay issue
56. December's turning out to be a great month for releases already ;D
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_10_12_22_6_32_04_0.jpeg)
Nipedley's scans of
Console XS (issues
01 to
04) have been added to the download area.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_11_17_55_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_11_18_13_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_11_18_25_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_11_18_39_0.jpeg)
His scans of
Game Boy Power issues
05 &
06 are also available ....
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_11_45_44_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_11_45_57_0.jpeg)
More
Nipedley goodness with issues
34 &
36 of
Nintendo Pro added to the site.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_11_59_10_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_11_59_23_0.jpeg)
GBA Master Guide issues
01 and
02 are now available.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_12_24_42_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_12_24_53_0.jpeg)
MAX Overload issues
01 &
02 are now available as I continue catching up on past submissions.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_12_42_23_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_12_42_34_0.jpeg)
Official Nintendo Magazine (UK) is up next in the form of the
Zelda Special Edition issue thanks to
Nipedley.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_12_56_13_0.jpeg)
CD-ROM Games issue
04 is now available.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_1_26_37_0.jpeg)
The
Spring 1991 issue of
CCEG (
Complete Computer Entertainment Guide) from Newsfield Publishing is now available. This must've been close to the end of the company by that time as the they went bankrupt that year.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_11_12_22_1_42_32_0.jpeg)
Nipedley's scan of
Game Station issue
04 is now available ...
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_12_12_22_7_18_27_0.jpeg)
Sega Fighters is now available. This looked to be a supplement but as Future plc charged a couple of quid for it I have no idea if it was a standalone product or not, so for now it has it's own category. Very strange!!
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_12_12_22_7_38_20_0.jpeg)
Some
Club Nintendo stuff from
Nipedley is up next ......
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_13_12_22_4_15_51_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_13_12_22_4_16_28_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_13_12_22_4_16_45_0.jpeg)
The 2000 Special of
What Games Machine? is now available. Another of those
Future plc one issue wonders I'm guessing?
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_13_12_22_6_30_37_0.jpeg)
Nipedley's scans of
Total Games Guide to Dreamcast and
Game Boy Advance issue
01 &
02 have been added to the site.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_13_12_22_6_48_08_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_13_12_22_6_48_47_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_13_12_22_6_49_02_0.jpeg)
Another of his scans gets a release with
GamesMaster Presents issue
01 (
Mario 25th Anniversary) now available.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_13_12_22_7_30_23_0.jpeg)
Gregorick submits
PlayStation Max issue
29. Note: One page of a poster got missed in the scanning but all editorial content is here.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_15_12_22_6_03_39_0.jpeg)
Nipedley's scans of
Game (The Game Boy Color Mag) issues
01 and
04 have been added to the download area.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_15_12_22_7_15_42_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_15_12_22_7_15_55_0.jpeg)
And the lucky last of
Nipedley's magazines arrives with the
Complete A to Z of Sega Games now available. Now there's just a pile of supplements to work through ....
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_15_12_22_7_46_50_0.jpeg)
I spoke too soon!! Looks like a have a straggler magazine or two of his in the supplements area.
Amiga Force issue
03 has been uploaded to the server and is now available.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_15_12_22_8_01_15_0.jpeg)
Next up are his scans of
3DO Magazine issue
02 and
3DO Magazine Gold issue
01, the latter being a special issue released at the end of 1995.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_15_12_22_8_10_18_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_15_12_22_8_10_45_0.jpeg)
Official PlayStation 2 (UK) supplements added aplenty with a few of the existing scans getting updated as well ....
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_15_12_22_8_58_17_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_15_12_22_8_58_37_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_15_12_22_8_59_16_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_15_12_22_8_59_40_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_15_12_22_9_00_15_0.jpeg)
Gosh a lot of those covers look familiar ;D
Yep, finally getting around to adding a lot of your scans that I hadn't had time to go through. Also having plenty of extra storage capacity on the seedbox really helps as well :D
More of Nipedley's supplements have been added, this time for PC Gamer (UK). Sorta weird seeing these included with a PC magazine though!! :o
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_10_54_23_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_10_56_10_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_10_54_55_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_10_55_30_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_10_55_49_0.jpeg)
Hmm...online gambling supplements. Being illegal in the States, I guess there IS a difference between modern PC Gamer UK and USA issues after all.
Next up we have supplements for Ultimate Future Games ...
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_11_48_35_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_11_48_06_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_11_47_40_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_11_46_07_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_11_45_32_0.jpeg)
Something really interesting is up next with
Cauterize providing us with no less than 29 inserts called the
Mega Guide from none other than
The Sun newspaper from way back in the early 1990's. More goodies found doing a sweep of my HDD. Very cool seeing these indeed!!
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_12_45_40_0.jpeg)
A
Nightmare Creatures Complete Players Guide supplement from
PlayStation Pro is now available.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_1_50_40_0.jpeg)
Comptiq issue
110 is now available thanks to
Hubz (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_2_47_27_0.jpeg)
Hubz scan of
Games Players Buyers Guide to Nintendo Games Vol. 01 issue 01 is now available
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_3_09_03_0.jpeg)
AralDite provides us with two issues of
Netguide (AUS) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_4_48_17_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_4_48_43_0.jpeg)
AralDite scanned his copy of
PC Powerplay issue
215. Scratch one more off the M.I.A list!!
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_5_19_15_0.jpeg)
Digital rips of
Games tm (UK) specials
Retro Volumes
08 and
09 are now available.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_6_39_12_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_6_39_32_0.jpeg)
Added three more digital rips of Games tm (UK) specials
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_7_07_11_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_7_07_39_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_7_08_05_0.jpeg)
Family are over from the UK and USA at present so not a lot of time for site updates but
Hubz scans of
PC Engine Fan circa 1993 have been added to the site.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_21_12_22_6_23_55_0.jpeg)
AralDite kindly provides us with
360 issue
47.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_21_12_22_7_47_46_0.jpeg)
Quote from: Kiwi on Dec 03, 2022, 05:53 PMGoing through my backlog of files from years ago I stumbled upon Total Control issue 01 scanned by amorri40. The cover on this stinker was literally silver plated ... I know because I owned this issue a long time ago ... and that color NEVER scans on a scanner properly, always coming out a variable shade of black. I don't know how he did it but Meppi at OoPA had an issue with the cover the correct shade so I used that to fix our cover problem. Every other page is amorri40's and it is now available in the download area.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_03_12_22_5_45_59_0.jpeg)
Thank you for putting this together, the cover has been annoying me for too long and this new cover looks fantastic! ;D
Quote from: Kiwi on Dec 17, 2022, 07:11 PMAdded three more digital rips of Games tm (UK) specials
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_7_07_11_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_7_07_39_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_17_12_22_7_08_05_0.jpeg)
I am so glad to see you have started adding so-called "Bookazines" as I love these things despite them just being the same content from previous magazines, they were always nicely presented and put together.
If they are from defunct magazines like Games tm I see no reason not to make them available given the titles can no longer be purchased from the publisher.
AralDite provides us with issue
12 of
Australian 360, an .... er ... Australian 360 magazine!! ;)
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_22_12_22_5_43_19_0.jpeg)
His scan of
Ultimate Nintendo issue
07 is now available.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_22_12_22_6_14_55_0.jpeg)
DELETE
Famitsu 1335 (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;id=10209) is up. It's significant for 2 reasons:
1. It's only 204 pages, making it the shortest Famitsu I've scanned since stuff from the early 90s.
2. It features Dempagumi inc. on the cover. Now, I realize that none of you know who they are. I didn't either. But I looked them up, and have decided that they are every single thing I hate about the country that is my adopted home all rolled into one disgustingly obnoxious package. This crap should be illegal.
Please check out this Youtube video of theirs. I'd advise not watching more than 30 seconds if you don't want your face to melt like that guy at the end of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Then, for the love of god, go watch some other video about Japan. Something with nature or temples or food or damn near anything else, so you can remind yourself that there are plenty of redeemable aspects to this country, despite Dempagumi inc.'s earnest attempts to undermine them.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_22_12_22_8_17_13_0.jpeg)
(https://media.tenor.com/Dmo7O6hdQ-IAAAAd/wtf-is-this-john.gif)
That's probably the only thing I've watched that makes me happy I don't know the language. The worst bit is I thought it might change after a minute so I kept watching. Ugh!! ;D
Quote from: Kiwi on Dec 22, 2022, 09:38 PMThat's probably the only thing I've watched that makes me happy I don't know the language. The worst bit is I thought it might change after a minute so I kept watching. Ugh!! ;D
Dammit Kiwi! I warned you!
(https://i.postimg.cc/KzQpvv2V/Raiders.gif)
Cool fringes!!
Just in time for Christmas
Gregorick kindly submits
PSM2 issues
16 and
29. Brilliant!!
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_23_12_22_4_46_40_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_23_12_22_4_46_57_0.jpeg)
Quote from: kitsunebi on Dec 22, 2022, 09:42 PMQuote from: Kiwi on Dec 22, 2022, 09:38 PMThat's probably the only thing I've watched that makes me happy I don't know the language. The worst bit is I thought it might change after a minute so I kept watching. Ugh!! ;D
Dammit Kiwi! I warned you!
I thought you were making it sound bad to dare me to watch it. Reverse psychology and all. Well, it worked !! ;D
Thank you for the uploads everyone. Much appreciated! I love that SSX Tricky cover on the PSM2 mag. I can remember playing that game almost religiously back when I was youngster.
Last day of 2022 ... holy heck where did that year go? ... and amorri40 kindly fills in the missing Games tm specials gaps. I could find these on the web with watermarks so it's great that he purchased them to enable clean versions to be preserved. Awesome!!
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_31_12_22_12_35_22_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_31_12_22_12_35_35_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_31_12_22_12_35_48_0.jpeg)
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_31_12_22_12_36_04_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_31_12_22_12_36_17_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_31_12_22_12_36_32_0.jpeg)
3D Artist issues 01 - 05 have been added to the download area. These are digital versions from Imagine Publishing who sold out to Future plc. This along with most other Imagine produced titles were subsequently discontinued.
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_31_12_22_2_26_17_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_31_12_22_2_26_28_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_31_12_22_2_26_44_0.jpeg)
(https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_31_12_22_2_26_58_0.jpeg) (https://www.oldgamemags.com/forum/downloads/medium_1_31_12_22_2_27_12_0.jpeg)
Great work here. Hopefully my other GamesMaster Presents scans are seen as alright to add.
I've highlighted elsewhere also the two issues you posted that can't be downloaded as there's no link. Please feel free to upload those missing issues that didn't go through.